Well boys... I think my rear axle is trashed.

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Well boys... I think my rear axle is trashed.

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Check out the video and give me your opinions. The driveshaft and U-joints checkout fine by the way.

The big question is should I rebuild this thing or replace with another used axle? I'm more of a fan of keeping original parts. How much different is this axle to rebuild than a conventional American axle of the same vintage? Is this something any axle guy can rebuild, or is this something that requires MG knowledge and special tools?

I'm going to miss driving my little beast for a few days-weeks!! :cry:



The noise sounds vaguely familiar...

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Wow. That sure doesn't sound right. Funny though, it doesn't sound like the typical bad differential. If it were me, and I was sure it was inside the axle housing somewhere, I'd start by draining the diff (inspect for metal debris) and then take the rear plate off. If the gears are trashed then it becomes a major ordeal. The early banjo axle was easy to pull the gears from. The tube axle is not. There are tricks to it, and technically you need an axle housing spreader just to remove the assembly. After all these years, some axles have opened themselves up a little bit so the gears will actually come out. I got luck this way on the last one I took apart. Finding a good set of gears will the the other issue. It may behoove you to just find an entire axle, rebuild it on the floor, then bolt it up. That way all you have to do is replace thrust washers and oil seals which is far easier than pulling the whole thing apart.

It's hard to tell where the noise is coming from int he video, but also check the three bearings in the axle (two on the ends and one at front of diff) as well as the usual suspects - u-joints, brakes, etc.
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Those are just the normal noises around there. With proper knock-offs those sounds are cancelled out by the turbulence from the wing nuts, something that obviously cannot occur with Nader nuts.
In baseball, running into someone is apparently a "collision".
But doing the same thing in a car somehow makes it an "accident".
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Hi Chris,
I'm with Steve there. First drain the diff, and see what comes out. It doesn't sound like a diff noise, more like something has gotten tangled up in a bearing. This is a Salisbury axle so shouldn't be a problem with parts. Salisbury is a wholly owned subsidiary of Dana since about the 1930s.
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Chris,
Before you pull your rear diff apart pull the wheels and rear brake drums and check to make sure all the parts are in the correct location. The reason I am say this I had a very sim sound coming from the rear dif of my replica 7 which uses an MGB rear end and when I started to take it apart I found that one of the springs that are inside of the brake assy had broken and was making the noise on the inside of the drum. Here is a parts break out from Moss Motors online catalog that shows the springs inside the drums. I found that item 83 had broken at the hook end and was just laying in the drum but still hooked on one side to the prake pad.
Hope this helps and that it is a simple fix for you.
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Martin,

I'll definitely check out the brakes before I dive too deeply into the diff.

We should all place bets as to what this noise is. Maybe I'll come up with a prize to send out lol.

I'm putting my money on a pinion/spider gear with a tooth stripped off.

Martin is going with brake spring. (Which I've been told to check on another forum too!)

Anyone else?
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Hey Chris,
I think Martin has a good point there. I really doubt that you've stripped any teeth off your spider gears. Those Salisbury diffs are as tough as nails, and the B engie doesn't really have the power to do that.
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I would have guessed brake spring if you didn't notice it grab before the noise happened. I just can't imagine anything else making that noise! I would have said broken axle but the car still drives both wheels.
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Well I do have a confession... I did drag race a buddy of mine a couple days before this happened, and while it was raining the next day, did some beautiful slides around some sweepers on a desolate back road.

But the noise has only surfaced twice and they were both well after the "fun" time. Funny thing, is a bump in the road below 10mph, is what sets off the huge noise. Spirited driving doesn't do it. I don't know about now though. That grovelling noise is constant but the bang is not.

Well hopefully its something simple. I already miss driving it. I'll know by Thursday and will post up what I find. :)
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Just curious, have you tried the test you did in the video but letting only one wheel spin? That could isolate it a bit.
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No I haven't, but I walked around the car when I wasn't filming it and did the test again. It seemed to be coming a lot more from the passenger wheel rather than the driver wheel. My memory is a bit foggy now. I may need to re-test.
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