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 Post subject: Pasadena Prepares to Unleash Speed Traps!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:03 pm 
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A state Senate committee will vote today on whether to gut an anti-speed trap law that has protected California drivers for the past seventy-six years. Assembly Bill 564, introduced by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino (D-Pasadena), exempts his home city from the statute that now requires any jurisdiction using radar on a road receiving federal aid to use engineering safety studies to establish speed limits. The exemption for Pasadena passed the state Assembly by a 51-17 vote last month.

With a tightening budget, Pasadena officials hope to be the first jurisdiction to permit police officers to wield radar guns on roads with radically lowered speed limits. According to the Senate's own analysis, Pasadena's primary purpose is increasing the number of traffic tickets issued, not safety.

"When asked if there were a safety issue associated with speed on these streets, the city of Pasadena was not able to provide evidence that there was a higher collision rate, or any other type of incident that would indicate a safety problem," the Senate Transportation Committee's bill analysis explained. "Posting a lower speed limit, however, is not likely to slow traffic down. The 85th percentile has long been used as the standard for setting speed limits because experience has shown that the majority of people drive at a speed that feels safe for the conditions. If the conditions do not change on the roadway, drivers will continue to drive at their current speed. Because this bill allows for radar enforcement on segments that were not justified on the grounds of an engineering and traffic survey, this situation will likely cause more motorists to be cited for speeding."

The bill also allows Pasadena to declare streets as part of "residential districts" -- which have a 25 MPH speed limit -- even when the area lacks the appropriate number of homes to qualify as residential. This modification also allows the use of radar on these streets without an engineering study.

"The sponsor argues that many of the posted speed limits are not enforceable if they were not set in accordance with a valid engineering and traffic survey," the Senate analysis explained.

California's speed trap law states that speeding tickets may not be issued on collector roads where a proper study has not been completed within five years -- unless the police officer proves in court that the driver's speed was unsafe for conditions. Portantino originally intended his bill to remove this requirement statewide, but he later scaled back his bill to cover Pasadena. If enacted, however, the cities of Altadena, Arcadia, Duarte, La Canada Flintridge, Mayflower Village, Monrovia and Temple City are likely to be next in line to demand the same ability to lower city speed limits.

To become law, the legislation would still need to clear the full Senate before being sent to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) whose position on the legislation is not known. The Assembly Transportation Committee expects to hold another hearing in the fall about bills to lower speed limits.

A copy of the bill is available in a 160k PDF file at the source link below.

Source: PDF File Assembly Bill 564 (California State Legislature, 5/18/2009)


Story source: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/28/2816.asp


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 Post subject: Re: Lower Speed Limits and Cameras in Pasadena!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:22 pm 
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This looks like something we shouldn't let happen. Once this happens in one city, it will spread like wildfire.

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 Post subject: Re: Pasadena Prepares to Unleash Speed Traps!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:50 pm 
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Plus a 911S (with a roof), an Aston Martin and a '70 MGB in the household.
Yikes! Yet another reason to leave this state.
But don't worry, I'll still do my best to help fight all those idiotic rules and regulations which made me decide to leave in the first place.
After all, come fall I'll be slinking back to California with a frozen tail between my legs.


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 Post subject: Re: Pasadena Prepares to Unleash Speed Traps!
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:10 pm 
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Here's an interesting read on the latest developments. It sounds like the city council needs to spend a few days in reality school.

Click here for the story

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 Post subject: Re: Pasadena Prepared to Unleash Speed Traps!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:53 am 
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I wonder how many of you here know that a year ago , Pasadena , a tiny little city of 26 square miles , found it necessary to purchase 35 brand new Police Motos ~ I counted them all as they were lined up being delivered . at the time I commented the City would soon be filling the coffers on unecessary tickets and sure enough , they are using tag teams of two Motor Officers hiding then stopping large groups of people during rush hour....

Obviously the City knew this law change was coming and planned for it well .

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 Post subject: Re: Pasadena Prepares to Unleash Speed Traps!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:59 am 
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Doesn't surprise me in these times of suffering economies. Cities and states all seem to be doing everything they can to get more money from the people who live there.

By the way, welcome to the site, Nate! :)

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 Post subject: Re: A Welcome
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:16 am 
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old air cooled VW's & Porches (all being discarded)

way too many old Motos , mostly BMW's
Thanx ! .

I'm an old timey mechanic , some folks have oldies as ' Hobby Cars ' , I think life is too short to waste behind the wheel of a modern car and yes , I drive a lot 800 + miles a week just going to work and home again the when I have the time , I drive more for pleasure , especially Road Trips .

Next weekend Death Valley Junction again .

This nusiance ticket BS is Un American IMO but we seem to be stuck with it .

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 Post subject: Re: Pasadena Prepares to Unleash Speed Traps!
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Plus a 911S (with a roof), an Aston Martin and a '70 MGB in the household.
Ah, yes, old cars...
But I like new cars, too, once they get old.


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