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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Steve Simmons » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:26 pm

I think it's pointing more at the Standard Saloon. Or Austin maybe. Year is between 1920 and 1950. Model is something with letters, and possibly a couple numbers.

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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:35 pm

Jimmy,
I can't tell if you mean the Wiilys Jeep MB, 1940 to 1945, or the, I think, 1935 Triumph Gloria. You said American, so I guess you mean the Jeep.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:36 pm

HealeyBN7 wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
Now, how many of you can identify the American car in the background, in front of the Healey?
Make, model designation and model years built.

Ok I'll try. 1948 Willy's Model GPW.

Dean
Sorry, Dean.
It can't be a '48, as that would've been a civilian model (a CJ, as post war Jeeps were known as until the Wrangler).
Also, it isn't a "straight" Willys, and if so, certainly not a GPW, as that would've been a Ford-made jeep (yes, lower case until '46, when the name was trademarked.
Then again, you just might have hit it right with the GPW designation, as there's no way to tell from the pic if it's a Willys Overland or a Ford-made jeep.
Either way, it'd be an MB, as in military, second generation, or a GPW, as in General Purpose Willys.
Since you were generous to me, I'll give you 1.46 points.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:51 pm

malcolmr18zoy wrote:Jimmy,
I can't tell if you mean the Wiilys Jeep MB, 1940 to 1945, or the, I think, 1935 Triumph Gloria. You said American, so I guess you mean the Jeep.
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Malcolm, you get minus two points for not spelling Willys correctly, plus one point for the MB designation (assuming it's not a GPW), minus one point for using an upper case "J" when refering to a jeep, and plus 1-1/2 points for the '40 to '45 production years. It was really '41 to '45.
It's late, and I'm tired, so I'll let Dean sort out the math. You have too many points already, anyway.
Either way, it doesn't have a roof, and played a huge role in preventing us all from driving VWs, Mercedes and BMWs these days.
Guess that makes us all winners. You might as well give everybody an extra point, Dean.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by HealeyBN7 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:53 am

I consulted with my accountant on options for incorporating the "Jimmy" points - Counsel is concerned that one could draw a linkage from military to defense to government-stimulus-funding and therefor invoke additional oversight, regulation and severely limit the point/bonus system. The "Jimmy" points will secured in an off shore account.

Here is the next challenge. Remember this one is worth 10 points.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:58 am

Hey Jimmy,
You know I don't care about points. It's just the challenge. By the way, the jeep was originally an English design by Austin wasn't it? If anyone knows, I guess you will. Why does jeep have to be written in lower case?
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:05 am

Hi Dean,
That's a difficult one. I think it looks like a Reliant Scimitar. Could be a Sabre because of the wire wheels, not 100% sure. Hope someone has better eyes than me.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:23 am

It's a Chevy Carryall, apparently ready to tow the little white car behind it.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:34 am

malcolmr18zoy wrote:Hey Jimmy,
You know I don't care about points. It's just the challenge. By the way, the jeep was originally an English design by Austin wasn't it? If anyone knows, I guess you will. Why does jeep have to be written in lower case?
Malcolm
Alright, Malcolm, you asked for it.
The almighty Land Rover prototype was built on a Jeep FC 150 chassis, a somewhat rare cabover version of the common CJ5.
Perhaps because the Brits couldn't decide on how to mount the steering wheel on the wrong side, they put it in the middle, with seating for a passenger on either side of the driver.
Now, doesn't that make you proud to be of English decent?

As for the lower case jeep, it's appropriate for all the military versions through '45.
When Willys Overland trademarked the name it became the familiar upper case Jeep, used on Civilian Jeeps (that's what CJ stands for) and military ones alike.

And I believe that Austin indeed made a half *** attempt at copying the jeep - which obviously didn't work out too well.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Larry Kluss » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:41 am

malcolmr18zoy wrote:Hi Dean,
That's a difficult one. I think it looks like a Reliant Scimitar. Could be a Sabre because of the wire wheels, not 100% sure. Hope someone has better eyes than me.
Malcolm
Malcom knows them all. :bow:
It is a Scimitar, GT SE4, circa 1964. The Sabre is earlier and has a more rounded off body, a bit like an early Spitfire.

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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:08 am

Hey Larry,
Don't forget to call it a Scimitar Coupe. I can identify the year as 1968 because of the licence plate.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:14 am

Hey Jimmy,
The original Landrover prototype was built in 1945. Did they have CJs then? I beleive it was built on an ex military MB chassis. Check your origins of jeep. I think it was a design by Austin, rejected by the British military, and taken by the US military. That may just be my English ego shining through, but you could research it!
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:48 am

Hmm, I thought they used an FC 150, but if it was in '45, that couldn't be.
Must've been an MB or GPW, then. They should've been plentiful, as opposed to an early CJ.
If it was a floor shift, it wasn't a CJ, since the early ones had column shifters.
The CJ designation began with '46 model years, but could well have been in existance in late '45.
Willys wasn't too particular with year models - for example, my Jeep (a CJ 3A) was built on February 23 1952, yet was identified and sold as a '51.
That's a bit different than today's market, where you will be able to buy a 2011 year model vehicle any day now.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by olson » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:44 pm

Hey Jimmy,
The original Landrover prototype was built in 1945. Did they have CJs then? I beleive it was built on an ex military MB chassis. Check your origins of jeep. I think it was a design by Austin, rejected by the British military, and taken by the US military. That may just be my English ego shining through, but you could research it!
from Wikipedia, and I have seen the same story several times, American Austi (Bantam) designed the jeep

The origins of the vehicle: the first jeeps
Bantam BRC 40
Dashboard of World War II era jeep.
Jeep with 50 cal. Browning machine gun

The first jeep prototype (the Bantam BRC) was built for the United States Army Quartermaster Corps (QMC) by American Bantam in Butler, Pennsylvania,[2] followed by two other competing prototypes produced by Ford and Willys-Overland. The American Bantam Car Company actually built and designed the vehicle that first met the Army's criteria, but its engine did not meet the Army's torque requirements. Plus, the Army felt that the company was too small to supply the number needed and it allowed Willys and Ford to make second attempts on their designs after seeing Bantam's vehicle in action.

Quantities (1,500) of each of the three models were then extensively field tested. During the bidding process for 16,000 "jeeps", Willys-Overland's chief engineer Delmar "Barney" Roos made extensive design changes to meet a revised weight specification (a maximum of 2,175 lb (987 kg), including oil and water). He was thus able to retain a powerful but comparatively heavy engine, and thus won the initial contract. Willys had designed what would become the standardized jeep, designating it a model MB military vehicle and building it at their plant in Toledo, Ohio.

After another round of testing in June 1941, the three designs from Bantam, Ford, and Willys were judged acceptable, with the Willys model having a more powerful engine and transmission, as well as a stronger frame and radiator.[3] The QMC moved to release contracts for mass production. Bantam was not prepared as Ford or Willys to undertake large-scale production despite its early role in developing the basic design.[3] Although the QMC supported the production to Ford, the experiences in World War I made the Army insistent on standardization.[3] Ford made a concession to manufacture the Willis design, and "sweetened" the deal by providing tooling for critical components which would be bottlenecks for mass-production (axles, constant velocity joints, and transfer cases).[3] Willys also decided to offer their design as an "irrevocable non-exclusive license to the U.S. Government" rather than risk losing business in a future "winner-take-all" contract.[3]

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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:07 pm

Well Gene,
I guess you shot me down in flames there, but that was very interesting. Thankyou for that insight into the history of one of the world's groundbreaking, milestone vehicles.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:49 pm

Yep, it was indeed Bantam, but certainly not Austin, that made the first prototype.
However, if you look at photos of those Bantam cars, they had little resemblance to what became the jeep.
Then again, so did Willys Overland's MA model.
The now famous grille was actually a contribution from Ford. About the only "Better Idea" Ford ever had, I think. (Well, that and stopping production of the Pinto).
So, Malcolm, even if Karl Probst for some reason drove - or ever owned - an Austin, it doesn't exactly make Austin the originator.
Good thing, too, I suppose, or the poor motor pool guys would probably still be out there in the fields of Germany trying to figure out the Whitworth fasteners.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:09 pm

Hey Dean,
Are you out of town? I was waiting anxiously for your response to our guesses on the last car! Also to your next challenge. Hope everything is good with you.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by HealeyBN7 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:29 pm

malcolmr18zoy wrote:Hey Larry,
Don't forget to call it a Scimitar Coupe. I can identify the year as 1968 because of the licence plate.
Malcolm
Sorry for the sluggish response. I got busy with sanding the Lotus (never ending) and getting the computer to work in the barn - still doesn't. Now traveling again, but all is well.

I thought the MGB guys would be all confused by the door and side profile on the Scimitar Coupe. From the angle of the photo, it looked to me like they lifted the door right off an MGB and built the rest of the car around it. Yet, there is no real MGB reference. I would post a photo of the front, but it is just too French-o-strange and I will leave it to you to look it up and draw your own conclusions. Sure does not match the back.

With that last one worth 10 points, Malcolm pulls way ahead. Here is what I have for points.

Gene + 1
Malcolm + 17.5
Steve + 2
Larry + 5.0
Tannyo + 1
Jimmy + 1

The next challenge will be worth 20 points. You do know why the points are increasing... :)

Best of luck. The next one will not be as hard, so you will have to be fast. The winner will either be camped on the computer or have their notifications wired to their mobil device.

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Post by HealeyBN7 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:42 pm

HealeyBN7 wrote:I would post a photo of the front, but it is just too French-o-strange and I will leave it to you to look it up and draw your own conclusions. Sure does not match the back.
Dean
Just for the record. Reliant is a British car. I don't think there is any French connection what so ever. Dean

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Post by malcolmr18zoy » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:15 pm

Hi Dean,
good to hear from you. I don't think there is any French connection with the Reliants, but there is an Israeli connection. I beleive the Sabre was built in Israel and called the Sabra.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:05 pm

HealeyBN7 wrote: The next challenge will be worth 20 points. You do know why the points are increasing... :)
Dean
Uh, it's either because of the general state of the economy (i.e. inflation), or Malcolm has some dirt on you.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by HealeyBN7 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:51 am

Finally a little less traveling for a bit.

Here it is...somewhat fitting. Need the make and model of the base vehicle and the special designation and maker for the additional feature. Assuming you can spot the additional feature:)

Good luck. Remember this is worth 20 points.
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PS: Points are increasing so you can catch up with Malcolm in one or two emails, without working at it until 2012:)

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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Jimmy » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:45 am

My guess is that it's Triumph TR5 that did something really bad, and got a roof attached as punishment.
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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by olson » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:56 am

Triumph TR4
special features: engine from a Massey Ferguson tractor
hardtop roof by Jimmy Nylund Limited provides extra comfort and improves aerodynamics

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Re: Goodwood Revival 2009

Post by Steve Simmons » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:05 am

I'm going to guess a Tr4 with a Lenham top.

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