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Re: 1946 John Deere Model A Tractor

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There is only one carburetor, and a petcock to switch between fuel tanks. The gasoline tank is rusted through, so I'm using the distillate tank as a gasoline tank. I have no plans to run it on kerosene.
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Hm ~ had to log in twice...

Ours had this carby , many didn't back in the 1960's .
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Great work Steve!
It sounds real nice, I can't believe it runs so well.

Nothing like a Derre!
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I thought I had posted photos of the engine internals but I guess I forgot. Backing up a bit (before ever cranking it over), I cleaned about an inch of black goop out of the engine. With no removable sump, you have to go shoulder deep through the top to reach the bottom and scrape it out by hand. A messy job.

I also took the time to rebuild the oil pump and clean the goo out of the gears and filter screen. This was an all day job. You actually have to reach down inside the engine to undo the oil pipes from the pump before dropping it out the bottom.
Oil pump cleaned and reassembled
Oil pump cleaned and reassembled
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Most of the engine is super nice. The crankshaft looks like it was just installed, with clean rod shims, nuts and pins even. No fore-aft play in the rod bearings at all. I'm starting to think this is (or was) a fairly fresh engine before it was abandoned.
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The bores are clean and rust-free which is a relief since this is a horizontal engine and any leaked water, from the cooling system or from outside, can end up in the bores. If this thing was left the way I found it, with an uncovered intake and exhaust, only in a wet climate, things may have looked very different in here. You can see that someone also coated the block with Glyptol, but it's so old that it's coming off in small flakes. This could be an issue since the oil path seems to go through the oil pump screen before the oil filter. I'll have to keep an eye on that.
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Cylinder bores
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The camshaft looks good with only minor wear. Some of what you see is just staining. Drive gears also look good.
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Here is an average "goo blob" I pulled from the bottom of the engine. The bigger ones were triple or more the size! It took a while but I got the majority of it. Hopefully the ATF running through the system will loosen the rest and send it to the oil filter.
Engine goo
Engine goo
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My wife actually liked this photo... until she noticed what I did to my new shirt. Apparently rolling up your sleeves isn't good enough when you have to get inside the engine. :hammer:
Nice new shirt, dummy.
Nice new shirt, dummy.
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And back to today, the radiator is currently being reinstalled along with some other parts I recently removed. Here it was this afternoon all prettied up. And yes, there is some new paint on the tractor as well.
Radiator painted
Radiator painted
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The radiator shop kept a box with all the crap they got out of the radiator for me because it impressed even them. The cooling pipes were even worse. The upper pipe will need some repair.
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Water pipe
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And the scale in the pipes wasn't much better. I got a lot out the bottom of the cylinder head (there is a drain) but there is more to do to ensure it's all clear. With no water pump, good flow is important.
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Scale in pipes
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And that's where I stand today.
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OOps ~

Where did my message go ? .

Are new parts still available from J-D ? they used to support these very well .
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They are indeed! It was really strange going into a dealership to buy parts for my vehicle. And opening brand new packages with John Deere written on them. It's been a very long time since I've owned a car made by a company that A) was still in business or B) that still supported cars over 15 years old.
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Re: 1946 John Deere Model A Tractor

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That's good to hear .

Jhonny - Poppers are basic , sturdy units that take a beating and keep running .

What was the deal with that slab of good you dug out of the sump ? I've taken a lot of ' taffy ' (Dino based oil sludge) out of old engines but never anything quite like that .

I'd scrap that cam and the followers too if it were mine ~ those lobes don't look good to me .
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The goo was just really old oil, probably affected by some moisture and leftover combustion byproducts. Some of it literally came out in sheets as it pulled the Glyptol from the engine casing, which became sort of a backing for the goo. It was pretty strange.

Here is one of those "goo sheets". You're looking at the back, which is the Glyptol side.
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So Steve,
Any updates on your Deere.
:)
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I haven't had a lot of time off work lately but I have made some progress, primarily with the intake.

This first photo is of the intake stack. It was about 95% clogged with packed-in grime. And there were two or three hornet's nests inside the intake tube. This photo shows digging the stuff out with a screwdriver.
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The filter can was equally clogged. I can't believe the engine could run at all like this!
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Removing the oil bath revealed a lot of liquid of the wrong type...
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And draining that liquid revealed some gritty nasty rusty stuff at the bottom of the bowl...
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And cleaning that up revealed a bunch of small holes in the bottom of the bowl. :x Apparently the only thing holding the water and oil in was a layer of rust scale! There may be enough material left to repair the bowl, or I might try lining it with something. Maybe solder, or tank liner.
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On the bright side, the tractor is running much smoother and nicer with the intake assembly removed. So once it's all cleaned up and reinstalled I should be in good shape. But with the intake off, I can see that fuel is leaking out of the carb internally so I'll probably go ahead and do a minor rebuild on that even though it seemed completely clean and functional.

I've also fitted a new, correct exhaust system and cleaned a TON of grime off the tractor, but no photos yet. And the radiator is back on and some other small parts painted but again no photos yet. I'll post more when I get done with a couple more areas.
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Steve Simmons wrote: And cleaning that up revealed a bunch of small holes in the bottom of the bowl. :x Apparently the only thing holding the water and oil in was a layer of rust scale! There may be enough material left to repair the bowl, or I might try lining it with something. Maybe solder, or tank liner.
Hi Steve,

I would braze that up and not use solder as that would be soft.
Brazing would also let you add strength.

The photos of the filter face are just amazing when you think you were able to get it to run like that.

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Well, there was simply too much accumulated gunk inside the various intake parts, so I decided it best to have them, along with the fuel tank, chemically dipped. Once the fuel tank was clean, I was impressed at the condition of the interior. It looks brand new! A coat of primer and a couple coats of paint have it looking better than ever.

Dig my custom paint booth. :roll:
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Looking good there .

How many MM across is the filler cap ? .
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The intake and air filter came out pretty darn clean. Here is the air can stripped.
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Air filter stripped
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Radiator mounted, steering box cleaned and painted...
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Fan, shroud, etc painted and installed...
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Intake stack mounted. It's leaning because it's still loose.
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My current project area is still the cooling system. Removing the lower water pipe revealed a tiny amount of dirt in the cylinder head...
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I used a chisel to remove what I could...
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And here it is mostly cleaned out. By the way, those are the cylinder bores at the top.
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Amazing how much dirt came out of that thing, and there is still a lot more. This is some very strange dirt. It doesn't soak up water. I flushed both ways with a yard hose on full blast, and kept getting more and more chunks but they come out dry. In fact there is dust coming out of the same hole as the water! Very strange stuff.
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And in trying to remove the piece of plumbing pipe someone used as a thread adapter for a makeshift coolant drain plug, the pipe tore apart. Now I have to figure out how to remove it without killing the threads in the engine. It's a rather large pipe thread so I have no thread repair kit for it.
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And since I'm at a standstill on the whole project (long story), I put everything back together with the exception of the steering. Here is my multi-colored tractor as it sits today. Note the air cleaner now installed (lower bowl still bare metal awaiting repair). All extra appendages have been removed, grill straightened out a bit, and what you can't see is the 20 pounds (literally) of greasy grime I scraped off the rear end.
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Looking good ! .

I use a dilute mix of Citric Acid powder and distilled water to clean rusty old cooling systems , it works 100 % , leaving clean and shiny (if pitted) metal and doesn't attack / damage alloy parts , making it wonderful for older European engines .

I'm still hoping to get some info on that gas cap , it looks close to what I need .
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Sorry, I kept forgetting to measure. I'm not sure where the measurement is supposed to be taken, but the OD of the filler lip is about 65mm, the ID is 48mm and the ID where the two notches for the cap tabs are is 55mm.

And with another step backwards, my freshly painted fuel tank is leaking badly from the bottom fitting. It didn't leak a drop before, so the chemical dip must have dissolved something that the previous owner had sealed it with. Dangit! Time to strip is down and figure out the best sealer. Obviously this Rustoleum paint doesn't stand up to gasoline. It's bubbling like crazy.
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Thanx and , ouch .

Can one still walk into a J-D Dealer and ask for this cap ? .
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Re: 1946 John Deere Model A Tractor

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I don't know if they will stock it but it can be ordered. Or you can just buy it online at pretty much any tractor supply, or on eBay. There are various sizes and styles, but I bought THIS ONE as it is appropriate for my tractor.
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THANX ! :thumbs: .

I see they have the filler neck grommets too , I'm all about those niggly little detail things .

I wish I could paint and weld like you .
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No real updates because the project has been on hold while I work on other things, but I will say that having an operational sand blaster again is such a luxury. Tractor parts getting clean.
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Wow what a nice tool to have at your disposal.
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Well, after dorking around with used Harbor Freight stuff over the years, I finally learned my lesson and got a good one... which arrived with massive damage from a forklift running into it. Got a huge discount and all the parts I needed to repair it, and spent a couple of days cutting, drilling, etc. Came out pretty good! And I've added a customized air manifold to the front (the brass part), a base with wheels to the bottom, and custom hoses.
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A bead blaster ? .

I'm GREEN with envy ! :P .
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That blaster is so big, I could roll the whole Kubota in there. Very nice!
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