The Great 76 MGB Project

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:41 pm

Okay, that's an unusual stance for a wife, but I'd still go with Steve's advice.
He's actually right, for a change.
In baseball, running into someone is apparently a "collision".
But doing the same thing in a car somehow makes it an "accident".

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by spitfire » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:48 pm

Well, I will be able to get to the car again on the 19th. I can set her to painting the spare wheel while i drain the oil and pull the head.

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:53 pm

You may want to leave the oil in for now (it may help flush crap out later) but do drain the coolant.
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Steve Simmons » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:17 pm

Wow, I don't know if she's a keeper or the devil! She sounds bad for you in the same way my wife is bad for me.... wonderfully bad. :)

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Re: You're In Luck !

Post by VWNate1 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:48 pm

As these things routinely crack the cylinder heads and late model heads are plentiful & cheap too .

Just be sure to have that used head magnafluxed before you pay for it or have the valves , guides & seats done .

Better get a new oil filter & a case of cheap multi-vis Dino oil too , you don't want to be starting it up on that milky crap ~ that's water/coolant and it can wipe out otherwise good bearings in a heartbeat .

Do you ever get by the Pick-A-Part junkyard on Pyrite off the 91 Fwy. ? it's a good 'un , often has smashed LBC's and wrecks
usually have good engines , cheaper than a valvejob W/ gaskets and all .

It's really dusty and steep walking tho' :wtf:

What can I say ? once a junkman , always a junkman I guess .

Didja pull the spark plugs yet ? if one (or maybe two) come out suspiciously clean , that's the cylinder that has the crack , the head is junk , I don't know anyone who does " pinning " of cracked heads anymore , more's the pity as Cyclone Excelsweld was 100 % top notch and saved many an unobtanium cylinder head for me back in the day .

Here's hoping it hits the road in 2010 ! :thumbs:
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by spitfire » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:59 pm

I will have to check that pick-a-part out. Especially when I get near the end. I do have use of a truck in Riverside where the car is parked, so moving a motor isn't an issue if I could get one cheap. I have decided I will pull the head. this month, and finally get a good look.
I did pull the plugs when I did the compression test, they looked good to me, not too oily, and not corroded. I think I even checked the gap, and they were good there too. I don't think that they were suspiciously clean.

But on the plus side, the money I am not spending on the car in the next 5 months will be taking me across the Pond. I will only get 1 quick day in London, but still. It will be my first time on that side of the world. And it will be the last Continent I haven't been to yet, not counting Antarctica I don't see me ever going there.

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:25 am

Ooops. Didn't know you had coolant in the oil.
Then you should drain the oil asap.
Unfortuntely, the coolant will corrode all your bearings, whether you're running the engine or not.
Not that it's a big deal to replace the bearings in the bottom end, but the cam bearings are a different story.
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:22 am

Hey Spitfire,
I wouldn't do anything to the car until you have the important things sorted out. If the engine has a cracked head, which is likely, then address that situation first. Didn't Martin Keller have some engines needing a new home? The one with low oil pressure was an 18V! Why don't you contact him?
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:50 pm

Oh, c'mon Malcolm. Draining the oil won't cost or hurt anything.
Especially if his wife's into oil wrestling, too.
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by spitfire » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:08 pm

Well there wasn't really any oil in the engine but it's a mess in there. I couldn't get the head off though as I couldn break the bolts. I will have some pictures tonight or tomorrow. Some of the gadgets were in rough shape.

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Steve Simmons » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:12 pm

Use a breaker bar, if you aren't already. The nuts on the head studs are fairly tight and are probably also a bit sticky. A regular 3/8" drive, 24" bar should do the trick.

Now, what do you mean by "the gadgets in the engine are in rough shape"? The fact that there was no oil in the engine isn't really a good sign.

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Post by VWNate1 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:05 pm

spitfire wrote:Well there wasn't really any oil in the engine but it's a mess in there. I couldn't get the head off though as I couldn break the bolts. I will have some pictures tonight or tomorrow. Some of the gadgets were in rough shape.
That's why you should listen to the Journeyman Mechanics and do a make run ~ one you knew the head needed to come off , you can loosen the head bolts and crank it and *presto !* almost any old rusted in to place head will crack loose and be ready for normal removal...
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by spitfire » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:02 pm

Woops I meant gaskets. Silly iPhone. Yeah there was no WD-40 in the garage and it was getting late so I will get some for next week.

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:38 pm

WD-40 is pretty useless for what you're attempting.
Try Liquid Wrench, or mix up the best possible solution; a 50/50 mix of ATF and Acetone.
Either way, spray it on long before you start working on getting the bolts loose, and often.
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by spitfire » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:03 pm

Here are a cou;le shots after pulling the valve cover off. Taken by my lovely finance' of coarse.

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Steve Simmons » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:06 pm

Well I think we just found your problem. That's a sure sign of water and oil mixing. Yank that head and inspect the gasket to see if it blew. If not, then start looking for cracks. I would imagine they will be obvious.

Man, that doesn't look very good. :eek: At the very least I'd say you're in for a new rocker assembly. If an early (1965) assembly will work then I may have the parts you need, once I can afford to get my engine out of the builder's shop.

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:08 pm

You did drain the "oil", right?!?
That stuff's eating away your bearings as you read this.
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Steve Simmons » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:21 pm

That gives me an idea for a series of tech sessions. It's "rebuild Jeremy's engine in twelve parts". One session per month, covering an engine rebuild. Problem is, someone who knows how to rebuild an engine will have to volunteer, and the engine should be located more centrally to VM members than Riverside!

Ok, maybe not such a great idea. :roll:

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by spitfire » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:06 pm

turns out there was probably less than a quart that drained out.i did pour about a quart of the cheapest stuff I could find to push through a bit of gunk, but ti didn't really help at all.

I like your idea Steve. Now to find a location to bring the motor that is much more centrally located.

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:26 pm

Knowing Malcolm, he'll probably volunteer, sucker that he is.
I can inquire about him showing me how to do the head on the ex-Beater B motor, after which I can (between that and reading a manual) supervise the rest of the rebuild.
On my motor, that is.
By then I'll be competent enough to provide commentary as Malcolm rebuilds Spit's motor.
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:38 pm

I would be more than happy to rebuild Jeremy's engine, if he would be happy to pay me. Then, since Jimmy is a journalist, he could watch me and write a twelve part article on how to rebuild an MGB engine. Plus know how to rebuild his own.
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by Jimmy » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:19 pm

Uh, I liked my proposal better. Really.
How about if we compromise; you rebuild my motor, I'll tell Jeremy how you did it, and in return I'll wax your Jag?
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:29 pm

OK Jimmy, I just want to make one thing really clear. Stay well away from my car with your wax!
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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by tdskip » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:05 am

Steve Simmons wrote:I would make pulling the engine out a last resort. Once you've gone that far, the "might as wells" will get you.
Absolutely! Good advice here...

There comes a point where you either have to do everything to the same as-new or better standard and then you are really screwed... :lol:

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Re: The Great 76 MGB Project

Post by malcolmr18zoy » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:27 am

At this point, you should probably list it on ebay, and buy Jimmy's really nice '79 MGB. You'll probably end up spending a lot more on your 76 than Jimmy wants for his 79. Once you've rebuilt the engine, then dealt with all the running gear, then made it smog compliant, then new tires, etc etc.
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Hope this doesn't sound too unkind. Just a reality check.

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