1959 Peerless Restoration
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Great video Austin!! You are very talented. Not enough shots of me though!! It looks like I am trying to sell a truck to Steve!
And now the work begins... The Peerless ends up back where it was 5 years ago!
Cheers, Dave
And now the work begins... The Peerless ends up back where it was 5 years ago!
Cheers, Dave
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
So Steve,
The GMC looks like it would be at home with your other vehicles and you look like your considering it in Austin's video of the Peerless returning to Dave's.
The GMC looks like it would be at home with your other vehicles and you look like your considering it in Austin's video of the Peerless returning to Dave's.
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Austin you have a real eye for this work. You and your dad make a great team. We really enjoy your updates, keep them coming.
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
That's Dave's personal truck that he just bought. I was just admiring it. I already have two of my own to worry about, one of them non-running!
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
It was great seeing DaveC's Peerless on the Memorial Day Run. Inspired me to work a little harder on the chassis to get it ready for the day when it will be reunited with the body. One of the remaining jobs was the installation of an electric fan for the radiator/AC.
After consulting with Old Air Products (AC system provider) I decided to purchase a 12" Spal high performance unit and build a shroud. Here are some pictures of the process.
First job was to create a template. Since the steering box sits so close to the radiator, a cut out was required. A little bit of construction paper and blue tape worked just fine.
Next I recreated the template out of sheet metal. Decided to weld on the fan studs so I could remove the fan without removing the shroud.
Testing the fit...
A quick acid bath prior to a POR15 paint job.
And this is how it looks on the car.
I'll probably put a little rubber around the edge where it contacts the aluminum, but other than bolting it on for good, this project is off the to-do list. Next - sort out the dash and engine controls.
Dean
After consulting with Old Air Products (AC system provider) I decided to purchase a 12" Spal high performance unit and build a shroud. Here are some pictures of the process.
First job was to create a template. Since the steering box sits so close to the radiator, a cut out was required. A little bit of construction paper and blue tape worked just fine.
Next I recreated the template out of sheet metal. Decided to weld on the fan studs so I could remove the fan without removing the shroud.
Testing the fit...
A quick acid bath prior to a POR15 paint job.
And this is how it looks on the car.
I'll probably put a little rubber around the edge where it contacts the aluminum, but other than bolting it on for good, this project is off the to-do list. Next - sort out the dash and engine controls.
Dean
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Will you be running it via a relay ? .
Live or via the key switch ? .
What temperature fan switch will you use ? .
TIA ,
Live or via the key switch ? .
What temperature fan switch will you use ? .
TIA ,
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VWNate1 wrote:Will you be running it via a relay ? .
Live or via the key switch ? .
What temperature fan switch will you use ? .
TIA ,
Yes, a relay will be required. It draws ~12 amps.
I am planning to energize the fan with the key switch, which will allow the temp sender to control the operation. It won't need to go on automatically with the AC, only when needed, and I am not sure at this point if I want to have another switch on the dash to turn it on manually.
On the Europa, I have the fan wired such that either the temp switch can activate it or I can override it with a dash switch. I originally omitted the temp switch, but then I either left it on, or spent too much time watching the gauge. A temp switch is a good thing:)
Probabaly 185 degrees. Like this one here. Just need to find a suitable location. A bung in the header tank would be idea, but I don't know if I can bring myself to drilling a hole in the radiator.
http://www.oldairproducts.com/catalog/a ... -2749.html
I thought you were going to ask, "Why are you installing an electric fan?", so I'll take a shot at that one...
My decision wasn't completely driven by the AC installation, but more so by the placement of the radiator and the engine fan. The radiator is a good 12" forward of the engine. The stock mechanical fan mounts off the crank (ala TR3 style) on a 6" flange, creating a large gap.
Comparing the Peerless to a standard TR3, the Peerless engine is a few inches lower and farther back. In one of the front engine photos, you can see that in order to make room for the flange the tie rod on the Peerless is bent down and around the clear fan.
Given that the fan is a centered near the bottom of the radiator, which necessitates a very small diameter, unless you also intend on mowing lawns, I felt that a slight modernization could be tollerated. And reversable if the next owner values originality.
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Hi Dean,
Have you thought about using one of those thermostatic switch probes that fit inside the top radiator hose? Also there is the type that fits through the fins of the radiator, like I'm using on my MG. Both types work really well, and are adjustable for temperature.
Malcolm
Have you thought about using one of those thermostatic switch probes that fit inside the top radiator hose? Also there is the type that fits through the fins of the radiator, like I'm using on my MG. Both types work really well, and are adjustable for temperature.
Malcolm
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Malcolm,
It was nice seeing you on the drive. I'll take a look at the in-the-fin type. That might be the easiest route to take. I never had good luck sealing the radiator hose probe.
Thanks,
Dean
It was nice seeing you on the drive. I'll take a look at the in-the-fin type. That might be the easiest route to take. I never had good luck sealing the radiator hose probe.
Thanks,
Dean
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Dean, I think there's an MG in your barn that has an in-hose temp probe with adjustable thermostat, in case you wanted to look at one.
Nice job on the fan shroud.
Nice job on the fan shroud.
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You're preaching to the Choir on these ~ I know them well , unlike 99 % of the folks who use them .
I don't see why you don't wire the relay live , this allows it to cool down the engine during heat soak , a very good thing indeed .
I do this one every E-Fan I install and never any troubles yet .
I don't see why you don't wire the relay live , this allows it to cool down the engine during heat soak , a very good thing indeed .
I do this one every E-Fan I install and never any troubles yet .
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Thanks Nate. I'll probably go ahead and wire the fan live.VWNate1 wrote:You're preaching to the Choir on these ~ I know them well , unlike 99 % of the folks who use them .
I don't see why you don't wire the relay live , this allows it to cool down the engine during heat soak , a very good thing indeed .
I do this one every E-Fan I install and never any troubles yet .
Dang - I just knew I would get one or more of those test questions wrong.
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VWNate1 wrote:Will you be running it via a relay ? .
Live or via the key switch ? .
What temperature fan switch will you use ? .
TIA ,
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The shroud looks great, Dean.
As my fan was disintegrating quickly i took it off for he run home nd may leae it that way, so I'll take up your kind offer of the template. I'll find a local fabricator as I don't have the resources myself.
Looking at my engine bay, I'll need to relocate the horns, or at least turn 90deg to clear the shroud.
Dave
As my fan was disintegrating quickly i took it off for he run home nd may leae it that way, so I'll take up your kind offer of the template. I'll find a local fabricator as I don't have the resources myself.
Looking at my engine bay, I'll need to relocate the horns, or at least turn 90deg to clear the shroud.
Dave
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I know a guy that can make one of those fan shrouds. You just need to let him sit in your car, make vroom-vroom noises and offer a beer or two.DaveC wrote:The shroud looks great, Dean.
As my fan was disintegrating quickly i took it off for he run home nd may leae it that way, so I'll take up your kind offer of the template. I'll find a local fabricator as I don't have the resources myself.
Looking at my engine bay, I'll need to relocate the horns, or at least turn 90deg to clear the shroud.
Dave
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Wow - that is a mighty generous guy, and very fair price. The timing to get the car to TO would be after the shroud is done (given there's no cooling right now), but there's always a fridge full of beer in Santa Monica...HealeyBN7 wrote:
I know a guy that can make one of those fan shrouds. You just need to let him sit in your car, make vroom-vroom noises and offer a beer or two.
Dean
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Another thought. I still have the generator, and don't wish to go to an alternator. I see your fan is the curved blade type which i think I read is quieter though draws more current for a given CFM. If that's true, i may go for a straight blade as noise is the least of my concerns, but the power generation is a factor i think.
What model number fan did you get?
dave
What model number fan did you get?
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Dave,
Spal 12". You can find it here.
http://www.oldairproducts.com/catalog/e ... -5539.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The fan pulls 13-14amps. I think the stock generator outputs 25 amps. Plenty to cover the fan, assuming you don't want to see in the dark or listen to the radio.
Let me know which fan you decide on, and I can build the shroud to suit.
Dean
Spal 12". You can find it here.
http://www.oldairproducts.com/catalog/e ... -5539.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The fan pulls 13-14amps. I think the stock generator outputs 25 amps. Plenty to cover the fan, assuming you don't want to see in the dark or listen to the radio.
Let me know which fan you decide on, and I can build the shroud to suit.
Dean
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There's no problem as the fan only runs on an as-needed basis so the generator will have no troubles keeping up .
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Looks like I finally have an extra fan shroud. Hopefully this will help put another Peerless on the road!
Dean
PS - DaveC. I'll bring it with me on the 30th.
Dean
PS - DaveC. I'll bring it with me on the 30th.
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Thanks, Dean. It looks really nice!
See you on the 30th, and hopefully i'll also be ready for the July 4th run, all being well
dave
See you on the 30th, and hopefully i'll also be ready for the July 4th run, all being well
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
What did I miss ?
I got a new reply notification but the latest reply is over a month old....
Huh ? .
I got a new reply notification but the latest reply is over a month old....
Huh ? .
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I got one too. I thought that was strange myself. I wonder if it was the car calling out for a little restoration attention. It couldn't be getting jealous of the Warwick, could it? All the more reason for me to get to work.VWNate1 wrote:What did I miss ?
I got a new reply notification but the latest reply is over a month old....
Huh ? .
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Re: 1959 Peerless Restoration
Yeah ! GET BACK TO WORK ! .
As soon as you're done you can begin on my Metro FHC .
As soon as you're done you can begin on my Metro FHC .
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